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mdo7

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Post Posted: Saturday Oct 12, 2013 vii:46 pm Reply with quote
I don't know if anybody always got into this topic of Ultra Loftier definition aka 4K and 8K resolution. I know NHK Science & Technology in Japan is the ane that are into the R&D of Ultra high definition, then maybe at that place is a possibility that anime could exist shown at this resolution.

We're now seeing 4k UHDTV existence showcase and likewise on sales similar these from LG for instance. We're seeing some movies being optimized and released in 4K for blu-ray similar Battle: Los Angeles for example. Heck even Xbox One and PS4 volition support 4K images/video. I've seen 4k resolution on a UHDTV at a shop and I was amazed and mesmerized past how super articulate and detail the images are, it's more sharper and more detail then HDTV that displayed 1080P resolution. Could y'all imagine anime beingness shown in item beyond 1080P?

My question to any of you that lookout man anime at Hd and are familiar with ultra high definition, can anime exist push beyond 1080P, is it possible to come across anime at 4k or even at 8K resolution? I like to hear information technology from you? To Moderator: Please experience free to speak upwards on this if you know about 4K and 8K resolution.

EDIT: Ok looks like 4k and 8K has been brought upward on ANN, but not about anime.

[EDIT: Fabricated your thread title a niggling less long-winded. -TK]

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Megiddo

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Post Posted: Sat October 12, 2013 viii:21 pm Reply with quote
It'll just exist upscaled. 4k is pretty worthless at this betoken for anime.
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Vracer111

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Post Posted: Sabbatum Oct 12, 2013 8:48 pm Reply with quote
Currently there are enough issues with getting good releases in 1080p, anime movies are the all-time way to go for overall quality as a group. I'd rather see excellent releases in 1080p that got rid of color banding which is found in well-nigh releases and 5.ane HD sound tracks standard, before going to 4k+ resolution. There's plenty issues getting skillful 1080p resolution from lower resolution masters likewise - not all companies requite it their best. Shows with the original information files the masters were made from should be able to calibration to 4k+ fine.

On my arrangement a practiced 1080p anime looks detailed enough for no complaints or wishes for higher resolution from Blu-Rays. I'm projecting onto a 110" screen and accept a high quality 7.2 channel capable sound system. A 110" screen will bring out epitome issues compared to smaller screens and every bit long as the content is presented properly, 1080p is fine enough....my system looks no worse than the excellent modernistic projection you view in Hard disk theaters.

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mdo7

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:07 pm Reply with quote
Vracer111 wrote:
Currently there are enough issues with getting good releases in 1080p, anime movies are the all-time way to go for overall quality as a group. I'd rather see excellent releases in 1080p that got rid of colour banding which is institute in most releases and five.1 Hard disk drive audio tracks standard, before going to 4k+ resolution. There'southward enough issues getting proficient 1080p resolution from lower resolution masters as well - not all companies give information technology their best. Shows with the original data files the masters were fabricated from should be able to scale to 4k+ fine.

On my arrangement a adept 1080p anime looks detailed plenty for no complaints or wishes for higher resolution from Blu-Rays. I'm projecting onto a 110" screen and accept a high quality vii.ii channel capable sound system. A 110" screen volition bring out image issues compared to smaller screens and as long as the content is presented properly, 1080p is fine enough....my system looks no worse than the fantabulous modern project you view in HD theaters.

I run into, thank you for your imput. Very Happy

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Post Posted: Saturday Oct 12, 2013 ten:06 pm Reply with quote
just look for maybe around year 2019-2020. they volition start to make 4k+ resolution shows in Nippon, not just anime.
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mdo7

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Post Posted: Saturday Oct 12, 2013 10:08 pm Reply with quote
Spotlesseden wrote:
just await for maybe around year 2019-2020. they will start to make 4k+ resolution shows in Japan, not merely anime.

Uh, really Japan will do information technology'due south commencement broadcast in 4K July of next year, I actually put a link to ANN article about it on my commencement post.

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Bango

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Post Posted: Saturday Oct 12, 2013 11:17 pm Reply with quote
This reminds me of when 720p was just raising it'southward head and some sub group put upwardly an episode of... I think it was Air in, like, 5760 x 3240. The file was something stupid like 50gb and wouldn't play on anything. It was a hilarious poke at "numbers over actual quality" problem that was so abundant back then.

I think nosotros'll eventually run into stuff in those resolutions only considering technology and media are constantly expanding. Especially since more and more than CG furnishings are existence used. It'll no doubt look awesome when it's washed properly but nosotros accept a long road of nobody doing it right to get through first.

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walw6pK4Alo

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Post Posted: Lord's day October 13, 2013 12:19 am Reply with quote
Analog anime can certainly be rescanned at 4k, but information technology would likely only do good expensive movies on adept quality 35mm film stock, as 16mm seems to tap out at 1080p for usefulness. Behemothic Robo was one such example that I know of so far that had a 4k scan. I'g certain more than will follow in the future, but the BluRay is all the same 1080p, and then yous'd require another format and another tv set to see the full benefits of that kind of restorative work.

As for digital anime, they're simply barely making it to 1080p native production as it stands today, likely reserved just for movies and maybe a few OVAs. I retrieve only a scattering of shows are above 900p, and they're probably KyoAni's. I heard the last season of Nyaruko was supposed to exist native 1080p, but I don't remember it really makes a departure when the show isn't detailed enough to note any departure. Pretty much everything else falls between 720p and ~900p, so nearly 1080p BDs are nonetheless only upscales. I doubt they'd have the resources to brand it look presentable on whatever resolution larger than that for a long while.

The 4k broadcast next year means zilch to anime unless some studio pours efforts into a presentation piece, but full-scale UHD production isn't the horizon. The difference betwixt capturing live action with a 4k camera and animation is, the size of the newspaper an animator draws on is express. How far can you expand that? I estimate every single shot of 4k digital anime would have to be some kind of vector.

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Post Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 ten:27 pm Reply with quote
Thank you for the input, for anyone that are familiar with 4k/8k resolution and anime video quality, please feel free to express your thought and your views on this.
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Post Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:54 am Reply with quote
Can the human eye even tell the departure between 4K and 8K resolution? Ultimately we're just training our eyes to demand a higher resolution merely at some indicate the limits of our visual capability will surpass the practicality of advancing applied science.
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1-Eye

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:53 am Reply with quote
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Tin the human eye even tell the difference between 4K and 8K resolution? Ultimately we're just training our optics to need a higher resolution but at some bespeak the limits of our visual capability volition surpass the practicality of advancing engineering.

If I understand correctly the 4K/8K is not merely about better detail (4K closer to 35mm) and color merely also screen size and the altitude yous sit from information technology. 4K is non going to do much for your 32 inch plasma, but those 55 to 80 inch at 1080p force you to sit much further back. This requires non just a large wall space to hang the tv but a pretty large room to sit far enough back to relish it. So instead of needing a "theater room" for your big screen, you should be able to accept it in your living room. I heard that Sony is trying to shoot equally much as possible in 4K with an eye towards the future. Still nigh people accept upgraded to 1080p adequately recently, and so I don't think 4K volition gain traction for some other 3-5 years.
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Post Posted: Monday October 14, 2013 six:55 am Reply with quote
One-Eye wrote:
Still most people take upgraded to 1080p adequately recently, so I don't call back 4K will gain traction for another 3-v years.

It may proceeds more than traction in Nihon than it will in the US, every bit I've read several statements from entertainment executives which aren't going to support 4k broadcasts in the The states until there'south substantial demand from the public, and that'south going to be iffy.

In truth, most people oasis't upgraded to 1080p recently, as 720p sets outsell 1080p sets well-nigh 3:one because people wait at price as a factor for a new "big screen" Boob tube than resolution itself. Several studies accept indicated most people tin can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, and most have stated 720p is "good enough" for viewing.

Most TVs will downscale a 1080 show when the Television's max is 720p, and while some baloney does occur, it's no where as noticeable as upscaling from 480/720 to 1080, which people seem to notice more.

Upscaling tin can introduce color banding and "fuzzy" views, particularly if the person has been watching content in 1080p for some time. Anyone who streams can clearly see the difference between lower resolution vs. 1080 streams.

The larger TV only enhances this trouble, which is why 4k is being pushed heavily. 4k TVs remove the minimum distance required for the sheer number of pixels presented, only it'south going to be difficult to sell a Usa marketplace this "clarity", at least not for a while.

I'm content with 1080p, as I can easily watch it without wearing glasses. With animation in 4k, all I can say is that there is such a affair as "too sharp", and with today's 1080 anime, I can find the abrupt lines and jaggies, something I didn't observe in the one-time 480 resolution.

Color banding is also extremely noticeable, specially with darker hues, and I'm not fond of seeing this pixelation on my screen. Information technology's not only limited to anime, either. Was watching Hemlock Grove over the weekend and much of its dark setting imposed banding. Ew.

I'm not opposed to 4k, but there had better be some exceptional value in its commitment, and the price of televisions are going to accept to meet current cost tags, rather than gouge early adopters because it's "new".

If the price doesn't fall rapidly, 4k is going to have at to the lowest degree a decade, if not more, to be welcomed in the Us, and that's a accident if the world's leading amusement manufacture doesn't adopt it every bit a "standard".

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Post Posted: Mon Oct xiv, 2013 7:12 am Reply with quote
Mesonoxian Eve wrote:

Information technology may proceeds more than traction in Japan than it will in the United states, as I've read several statements from entertainment executives which aren't going to support 4k broadcasts in the Us until there's substantial need from the public, and that'southward going to be iffy.

Similar the nascence of HDTV, Japan would have to get a LOT more obsessed with 4K than we are right now.
That'south not realisticallyi out of the realm of possibility Rolling Eyes , but somehow, I just keep picturing even THEIR finding it too pointless to pursue.

4K-Mania of the Time to come is an artificial construct, being pursued by a superstitious industry that but doesn't know how this whole darn affair works.

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Post Posted: Mon October 14, 2013 viii:30 am Reply with quote
The other attribute to upgrading aside from the cost of a new set is that, what are you going to spotter? Bandwidth constraints in the The states barely allows 720p and 1080i equally it is, there's no style TV companies volition be able to provide anything greater without undue toll to their subscribers. For home consumption, you'll probably need to rely on some kind of internet delivery, as nosotros'll demand a format that'southward even larger than BD to proceeds any do good from 4k. As much of a small luxury as HDTVs are today, these UHD sets will only be ultra luxury items.
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Post Posted: Mon October 14, 2013 8:47 am Reply with quote
Mesonoxian Eve wrote:
One-Centre wrote:
Still most people have upgraded to 1080p fairly recently, so I don't think 4K will gain traction for another 3-v years.
In truth, virtually people haven't upgraded to 1080p recently...
You are probably right about that I shouldn't have said about have gone to 1080. I should have said many people accept upgraded to Hd.
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...720p sets outsell 1080p sets most three:ane because people await at price every bit a factor for a new "big screen" TV than resolution itself.
Truthful plenty price and people'south budgets thing, but prices accept also continued to fall. A 32 inch that might accept cost you 1k a few years ago can be had for $250-300 and some of those come up with 1080p. I've seen alien studies that say HDTV adoption is anywhere from 50% to 80%. If its on the lower end and there are still many analog sets out there then its only a matter of fourth dimension before those people upgrade and if 4K sets force 1080 sets down in price nosotros might come across an uptick in overall HDTV adoption. On the other manus, if adoption of HDTV is really college then that would certainly delay 4k because as you pointed out 720 and consequently 1080 would be expert enough.
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The larger TV only enhances this problem, which is why 4k is being pushed heavily. 4k TVs remove the minimum distance required for the sheer number of pixels presented, only it'due south going to be difficult to sell a US marketplace this "clarity", at least not for a while.
I agree and as you lot mentioned most people can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.
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If the price doesn't fall speedily, 4k is going to take at least a decade, if non more than, to be welcomed in the US, and that's a accident if the globe's leading entertainment manufacture doesn't adopt it every bit a "standard".
I had read previously that something like 40-50% of movie theaters in the Us utilize 4K Hard disk projectors, so it does seem to growing within the amusement industry. Broadcasters are a different story and they may non see an incentive to go to 4K and then in that location is bandwidth considerations which is something that I think might really agree things dorsum. Just if Sony is recording even tv shows in 4K then in that location might be content to exist purchased in some kind of format.
EricJ wrote:
Mesonoxian Eve wrote:

Information technology may gain more traction in Japan than it volition in the Usa, as I've read several statements from entertainment executives which aren't going to support 4k broadcasts in the U.s. until in that location's substantial demand from the public, and that's going to be iffy.
Like the birth of HDTV, Japan would take to get a LOT more obsessed with 4K than we are right now.
That's non realisticallyi out of the realm of possibility Rolling Eyes , merely somehow, I but keep picturing even THEIR finding it besides pointless to pursue.

4K-Mania of the Futurity is an artificial construct, beingness pursued by a superstitious industry that just doesn't know how this whole darn thing works.

I did read somewhere that NHK in Japan is pushing for 8K dissemination as early on as the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.
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